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      CommentAuthorLobsterMan
    • CommentTimeJan 9th 2007 edited by Sean on the 24th July 2007 at 17:03:01 EDT
     
    Here are the final site rules, and design submission rules and guidelines. As this site is a community site, rules might be changed by popular request.

    Site Rules

    The Open Design Community - OpenDesigns.org
    Community rules

    1. While debate and discussion is fine, we will not tolerate rudeness, insulting posts, personal attacks or purposeless inflammatory posts. Members should post in a way that is respectful of other users. Flaming or abusing users in any way will not be tolerated.

    2. Members should remember this board is aimed at a general audience. Posting pornographic or generally offensive text, images, links, etc. is not allowed. This includes nudity, graphic language and profanity. As a rule, don't post anything you wouldn't want your grandmother (or grandchild) to read.

    3. Advocacy of illegal activities such as software and music piracy and other intellectual property violations are not allowed.

    4. While self promotion is allowed, excessive repeat posts of the same nature will be considered spam and shall not be tolerated. Promotion or services and sites that are not web design related, personal sites or projects of the posting member will also be considered spam. The definition of spam will be left to the decision of the site staff, if you are not sure, please ask first.

    5. While these rules cover most common situations, they cannot anticipate everything. Consequently we reserve the right to take any actions we deem appropriate to ensure these forums are not disrupted or abused in any way.

    Treat others how you wish to be treated yourself. Show respect to others and you will be respected.


    Design submission rules and guidelines

    Rules
    A design that won't conform with these rules will not be approved.

    1. Designs must be valid XHTML
    2. No table-based layouts, tables should be used for tabular data only.
    3. Text cannot be contained within images.
    4. Buttons (e.g. W3C) are not allowed in designs.
    5. All images must be your own and not copyrighted.
    6. No JavaScript / DHTML is to be used in your design.

    Guidelines

    1. Try keeping your XHTML semantic and logically ordered.
    2. A CSS layout alone isn't a template, please put some time and effort into the styling of the design.
    3. Keep all images optimized for the web. Please keep the total file size under 200 kb. Normally 50 kb is more than enough.

    Uploading Designs

    Place all of the required design files into a folder with your design name and create a zip archive of that folder. Please do not use any special characters such as !, &, ? or spaces. Use underscores instead of spaces when naming the folder.



    Edited by Christopher to include ' & Design Submission Guidelines' in the title of the post.
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      CommentAuthorJosh
    • CommentTimeJan 9th 2007
     
    Looks good. (shame about JS though)

    1. Designs must make us of valid XHTML

    should be something like 1. Designs must be valid XHTML though.
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      CommentAuthorLobsterMan
    • CommentTimeJan 9th 2007
     
    Fixed. thanks.
    • CommentAuthoraanimo
    • CommentTimeJan 9th 2007
     
    [quote]Normally 50 kb is more then enough.[/quote]

    "then" should be "than"

    Looks good!
    • CommentAuthorrefueled
    • CommentTimeJan 9th 2007
     
    Can I use images that are part of the public domain for my templates?
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      CommentAuthorJosh
    • CommentTimeJan 9th 2007
     
    Posted By: refueledCan I use images that are part of the public domain for my templates?


    I wouldn't see why not. Public domain pretty much means anybody can use them for anything. It'd still be nice to give credit to where you got the images though.

    (but don't take my word for it, wait for an official staff comment)
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      CommentAuthorLobsterMan
    • CommentTimeJan 9th 2007
     
    You can use any images as long as you have the rights to use them and distribute them under the license you use on OD. That obviously means that public domain is 100% fine
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    Posted By: LobsterManThe definition of spam will be left to the decission of the site staff, if you are not sure, please ask first.


    decission should be decision.

    The rules look good, especially that huge 200kb file size limit!

    Keep up the good work!


    (On a side note: there seems to be too much padding-bottom on the blockquotes... I'm viewing in FF2... maybe just a quick style sheet modification will do the trick?)
    • CommentAuthorwildleaf
    • CommentTimeJan 9th 2007
     
    padding bottom looks fine, I think you mean margin-bottom.
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      CommentAuthorgnome
    • CommentTimeJan 9th 2007 edited by gnome on the 09th January 2007 at 18:55:02 EST
     
    wildleaf and Acousticsam: that should probably be decreased by about 1 em.

    Lobsterman: I was under the influence that JS fixing Browser-Rendering was allowed...
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      CommentAuthorSyuk
    • CommentTimeJan 18th 2007
     
    I am only joking here!

    The original post by Lobsterman reminded me of the great novel by George Orwell entitled "Animal Farm", esp. where you see 'edited' and if you know the book, wink

    These are great rules! Is there going to be a static page, or maybe even better make the current rules appear before designers/posters actually verify their account?
    • CommentAuthorDieter
    • CommentTimeJan 19th 2007
     
    Why is not my template "Beautiful Curves" approved yet?
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      CommentAuthorSean
    • CommentTimeJan 19th 2007
     
    @Dieter: I think we are waiting a couple days now between approvals. I'll check with the other admins and find out.
    • CommentAuthorDieter
    • CommentTimeJan 19th 2007 edited by Sean on the 01st June 2007 at 13:43:59 EDT
     
    Sean:
    Ok, just wondering since it has been about a week since is submitted.
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      CommentAuthorSean
    • CommentTimeJan 19th 2007
     
    @Dieter: I actually approved it shortly after your message. Check your profile page bakie
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      CommentAuthordrago
    • CommentTimeJan 20th 2007
     
    Looking good... admins when this is finalized why not make a rules page or something to that effect and place it on the main menu on the top left.

    I know from a usability standpoint if I found this site from a search engine or somewhere, I would have no clue how to upload/ create designs and would have no clue that you had to create an account and then log in and upload a zip file... why not explain this in detail on that page.
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      CommentAuthorSean
    • CommentTimeJan 20th 2007 edited by Sean on the 20th January 2007 at 10:22:04 EST
     
    @drago: we do have a help/FAQ page which is always being added to... the link is in the footer along with the site map link.

    Of course a detailed page would be great and behind the scenes we are compiling all of this stuff. If we waited to have all of these things done before the site went live, it wouldn't ever get up... hehe... this site is bleeding edge... we do almost everything in a live working environment and on the fly.

    Thanks for the suggestions and continued support of the site and community. bakie
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    Out of curiosity, why:
    6. No JavaScript / DHTML is to be used in your design.

    It seems that JS would be fine as long as it's cross-browser?
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      CommentAuthorgnome
    • CommentTimeJan 28th 2007
     
    JS is only allowed in templates if you are hacking IE into functioning like a standards-compliant browser.

    The reason it is not promoted is that while JS can add extra functionality to a website, it is not necessary for a standalone template. Unlike CSS and XHTML, there is no way to ensure that any JS included in a design is well-formed. Also, many popular libraries are quite large, which could bloat file-sizes for templates beyond what is reasonable. In addition, JS is not known by some users (I just don't want to learn), which might prevent them from using any template containing it.

    That is the general consensus for submitted templates, although JS is still very popular in websites. Open Designs uses no fewer than 10 to run all this goodness. JS is not a bad thing, but it doesn't belong in templates, unless you have a good rebuttal.
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    "JS is only allowed in templates if you are hacking IE into functioning like a standards-compliant browser."

    The site rules state no JavaScript... it doesn't make any exceptions for hacking Internet Explorer as far as I am aware, but will double check with everyone else though.
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      CommentAuthorgnome
    • CommentTimeJan 28th 2007
     
    Christopher: You are probably right.
    • CommentAuthorsoliac
    • CommentTimeJan 28th 2007
     
    @gnome: a couple of weeks ago i was talking to Lobsterman (on gabbly!) and he said that you are not allowed JavaScript in your designs AT ALL. He did say that including *.htc files for IE via CSS was allowed:

    /*for example*/
    body {
    behaviour:url(iepngfix.htc);
    }

    But definitely no *.js included via HTML.
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      CommentAuthorgnome
    • CommentTimeJan 28th 2007
     
    Okay. I don't know where I got that idea from.
    • CommentAuthorAndreas
    • CommentTimeJan 30th 2007
     
    "Text can not be contained within images" - but still image texts are used in several templates. Is this rule still valid or is it OK to make titles and headers in image format nowadays?
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      CommentAuthorSean
    • CommentTimeJan 30th 2007 edited by Sean on the 30th January 2007 at 09:29:32 EST
     
    Andreas, we don't want text in images. If you see on the site where it says it's ok, let me know so I can remove that.

    I do recall something about if people provided image source files, there might be an exception but again, I don't completely remember.
    • CommentAuthorAndreas
    • CommentTimeJan 30th 2007
     
    I haven't seen any place on the site that says image texts are ok, only a few templates that use images where they should probably use text instead. The new Nautica09 has four text images, just to give one example.

    It doesn't bother me at all, I would not put texts in images myself even if it was perfectly allowed. :) I just wanted to know if the rule is still valid or not.
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      CommentAuthorgnome
    • CommentTimeJan 30th 2007
     
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      CommentAuthoryugnats
    • CommentTimeJan 31st 2007
     
    Posted By: LobsterManCommunity Rules - Rule 4 - ...personal sites or projects of the posting member will also be considered spam.

    i'm confused. the 'self promotion' category in this forum says:
    Do you design websites? Do you program or write applications? Self Promotion discussions go in here, so strut your stuff.

    so if you were promoting something you built, etc wouldn't you put a link here as well? maybe i'm reading it incorrectly confused
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      CommentAuthorSean
    • CommentTimeJan 31st 2007
     
    @yugnats: you didn't quote the beginning of that rule that states:

    While self promotion is allowed, excessive repeat posts of the same nature will be considered spam and shall not be tolerated.


    So as long as it's not excessive repeat posts, it's cool.
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      CommentAuthoryugnats
    • CommentTimeFeb 1st 2007
     
    Posted By: LobsterMan4.While self promotion is allowed, excessive repeat posts of the same nature will be considered spam and shall not be tolerated. Promotion or services and sites that are not web design related, personal sites or projects of the posting member will also be considered spam. The definition of spam will be left to the decision of the site staff, if you are not sure, please ask first.


    there, i'll quote the whole rule. the first sentence clearly says self promotion is allowed but the second says personal sites and projects will also be considered spam. sorry but to me it sounds confusing.

    so, are personal projects allowed to be promoted? what if they are non-design related?
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      CommentAuthoryugnats
    • CommentTimeFeb 1st 2007
     
    the way i read the rule right now it seems these things are not allowed:

    - excessive repeat posts of the same nature
    - promotion or services and sites that are not web design related
    - personal sites or projects of the posting member

    so maybe we should clarify it further?bakie
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      CommentAuthorSean
    • CommentTimeFeb 1st 2007
     
    @yugnats: i agree, it's a little confusing. lets have the other admins and moderators chime in to get some ideas on how to clear this up.
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      CommentAuthormdizzle
    • CommentTimeFeb 1st 2007
     
    Posted By: yugnatspersonal sites or projects of the posting member will also be considered spam.

    I don't exactly get that part...
    Omit it?
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      CommentAuthorSean
    • CommentTimeFeb 1st 2007
     
    just a heads up to the moderators, do not edit the rules in the beginning of this thread until we all discuss it and the other two admins chime in as well.
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      CommentAuthorbakercad
    • CommentTimeFeb 1st 2007 edited by bakercad on the 01st February 2007 at 09:06:21 EST
     
    always willing to give my input.bakie

    Maybe allow each member to have ONE thread (discussion) in the "Self Promotion" category to show whatever they wish, within reason, of course. No offensive/questionable sites. This will give them a chance to show other member's their current projects, show off...etc.

    I'm very interested in seeing what others are working on.

    Now a little self promotion within other threads is tolerable. If someone asks for help and you have something that can help them, I don't think it hurts to post it. Obviously...attackr.com gets a lot of play around here. But if it's constant self promotion, it can be considered spam. If a person is constantly promoting themselves they can always contact the "member-in-need" via the e-mail form and leave a note in thread for the "m-i-n" to check their e-mail.
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      CommentAuthorLobsterMan
    • CommentTimeFeb 1st 2007 edited by LobsterMan on the 01st February 2007 at 09:26:24 EST
     
    Posted By: yugnats
    Posted By: LobsterMan4.Promotion or services and sites that are not web design related, personal sites or projects of the posting member will also be considered spam..


    there, i'll quote the whole rule. the first sentence clearly says self promotion is allowed but the second says personal sites and projects will also be considered spam. sorry but to me it sounds confusing.

    so, are personal projects allowed to be promoted? what if they are non-design related?


    Read it carefully. It states that it is spam if its not web design relates or a personal site, then it will be considered spam.
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    It makes complete sense to me...

    4.While self promotion is allowed, excessive repeat posts of the same nature will be considered spam and shall not be tolerated. Promotion or services and sites that are not web design related, personal sites or projects of the posting member will also be considered spam. The definition of spam will be left to the decision of the site staff, if you are not sure, please ask first.

    So... lets break it down step by step (and no, i'm not being sarcastic lol)

    i. Self promotion is allowed, but, excessive repeat posts of the same nature isn't allowed.

    ii. Promotion, services and sites that are not web design related / are not personal sites / are not projects of the posting member, is also spam.

    iii. Overal decision of what is spam and what is not spam is the choice of the site staff.

    iv. unsure? ask first!

    I'm pretty sure it makes sense, but hey, it obviously didn't to others!
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      CommentAuthormdizzle
    • CommentTimeFeb 1st 2007
     
    Ah, my bad lobsterman. I get it now.
    I guess the rule just needed clarification.
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      CommentAuthoryugnats
    • CommentTimeFeb 2nd 2007
     
    ii. Promotion, services and sites that are not web design related / are not personal sites / are not projects of the posting member, is also spam.


    thats clearer adding the 'are not' in there. i'm assuming the forward slash means 'or'?
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      CommentAuthoryugnats
    • CommentTimeFeb 2nd 2007
     
    you know, now that i read it again it seems clearer. anyways, i got it now so i guess its fine unless someone else doesn't get it :)
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      CommentAuthoryugnats
    • CommentTimeApr 18th 2007
     
    RULE 7 FOR MODS: Do not edit posts for small grammatical errors.

    Who ever is doing this(you know who you are) please stop it or i think your mod status should be removed.
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    I am sorry, but I am unable to find a link to upload my design ? :)
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    Hey Karan, if you're logged in you have a section up at the top which is similar to this:

    Welcome Back Christopher! · Logout · Admin
    If you click the Admin link you'll be presented with some more options in your Dashboard including links on the second level navigation in the top half of the page.

    The two main links you'll want to use are Submit a Design which allows you to fill out the form and submit your design for approval. If it meets the design submission rules and guidelines which are outlined within the first post of this thread, then you can expect your design to be approved within three to seven days, if it fails to meet one, or many, of the rules and guidelines it will be rejected from the queue and you shall receive a brief email explaining why it was rejected so you know what to do before resubmitting it.

    The other link you'll no doubt notice, is labelled My Designs which allows you to see all of the designs of which you have submitted. It also provides quick links to enable you to edit the design if you need to, if you edit a design it will be submitted into the design queue to be checked over, if the edit is fine it will be approved within a day or so, if the edit however invalidates one, or many, of the rules or submission guidelines, it will be removed and once again you'll receive an email explaining why. In this section you can also check on the status of your submitted designs, they will either show as Pending or Approved, if a design is rejected it is removed from both the site and your My Designs page.

    Any more questions just ask smile
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      CommentAuthorsoyrosa
    • CommentTimeMay 21st 2007
     
    What can I do when my design is rejected for the second time? The first time I didn't recieve an e-mail, but I found out why it was rejected, and the second time (I just found out it's rejected) I didn't recieve an e-mail either :)
    I would love to know why my design is not approved.
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    I rejected it because there was no index.html file (well, it didn't contain any html files actually). It was just images and the stylesheet in the folder, now if it was a problem with the zip you uploaded not containing that file, or if it just didn't upload / unzip properly server side I'm not sure, so I asked (sent an email via this site's contact form to your registered [roosje at kabelfoon dot net] email address) if you could check the zip contains the file and try submitting it again (sorry, I know it's annoying having to resubmit).

    By the way I've just sent you another email through the contact form on your user page, let me know (reply here or email me, whichever you prefer) if you get it, also check your spam folder as I just sent myself an email through this site, and it went straight into my spam folder which can't be good...
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      CommentAuthorramblingsoul
    • CommentTimeMay 21st 2007 edited by ramblingsoul on the 21st May 2007 at 20:40:32 EDT
     
    I am also having some problem with this zip thingy.. 4 of my designs got rejected. :(
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      CommentAuthorsoyrosa
    • CommentTimeMay 22nd 2007
     
    @ramblingsoul: Yes, it appears my ZIP files don't contain an index.html :) Strange! But we don't give up ;)
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      CommentAuthorSyuk
    • CommentTimeJun 1st 2007
     
    Anyone notice this?

    Name
    gTheme


    Header is 'For Your Fu**ing Information'.

    Is that a good idea to allow such language? Not trying to be prudish, I don't care about swearing just wondered if anyone else did.

    Cheers
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      CommentAuthorsdkester
    • CommentTimeJun 1st 2007
     
    Thanks for bringing it up Syuk. I wanted to also, but wasn't sure how to. I don't think it's okay in this setting. There is a time and a place for such things, and this isn't one of them IMO.
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      CommentAuthoryugnats
    • CommentTimeJun 2nd 2007
     
    syuk, this has been brought up before about another and nothing was done about the offending template. since mods have no control over template submission's i doubt this one will be removed either because the admins (and community overall, apparently) don't seem to mind this kinda of stuff being put in templates.

    it doesn't bother me personally but i don't think that kind of language belongs on a community site thats supposed to be for all ages and it certainly shouldn't be encouraged.