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      CommentAuthorSean
    • CommentTimeDec 2nd 2006 edited by Sean on the 02nd December 2006 at 21:30:35 EST
     
    Just wanted to let everyone know that hosting is now up and propagating around the internet, so you might not see anything yet but over the next 24-48 hours you should start to see the holding page for the OpenDesigns.org site.

    LobsterMan and I will be fine tuning the final testing of the backend code tonight and tomorrow, then comes moving the forum, posts, comments and user accounts.

    LobsterMan will be making an announcement when this will be happening because form posting here on the temporary forum will be locked during the move so we don't loose any posts or comments.

    We are moving forward people... yay.

    Once Christopher wakes up... yay timezone differences, he'll be brought up to speed as well.
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      CommentAuthorNeuen
    • CommentTimeDec 2nd 2006
     
    Hip Hip Hurray.
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      CommentAuthoricyone
    • CommentTimeDec 2nd 2006
     
    sweet... tooth I'm so excited I think I wet myself...Is that ok under the forum guidelines ..who cares its exciting.. yippeejumping
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      CommentAuthorSean
    • CommentTimeDec 2nd 2006
     
    just don't pee on the cookies clap
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      CommentAuthorJeremyD
    • CommentTimeDec 2nd 2006
     
    or the milk!
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      CommentAuthorarwen54
    • CommentTimeDec 2nd 2006
     
    hurray! Thanks, for the update, Sean
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      CommentAuthorSean
    • CommentTimeDec 3rd 2006
     
    You're welcome. peace
    • CommentAuthor4evrblu
    • CommentTimeDec 3rd 2006
     
    Wonderful!
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    Great news Sean bigsmile Timezones and weekends don't mix wink
    • CommentAuthorDeanStev
    • CommentTimeDec 3rd 2006
     
    so whats open-design.org all about? is that not the site??

    confused.
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      CommentAuthorChristopher
    • CommentTimeDec 3rd 2006 edited by Christopher on the 03rd December 2006 at 14:26:00 EST
     
    OpenDesigns.org is the website we are using, Open-Design.org is not related as far as I am aware...
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      CommentAuthorLobsterMan
    • CommentTimeDec 3rd 2006
     
    no, the site will be opendesigns.org
    • CommentAuthorDeanStev
    • CommentTimeDec 4th 2006
     
    ok, so any idea why your new logo is on there? :p
    • CommentAuthorDeanStev
    • CommentTimeDec 4th 2006
     
    hmm - its not any more... tres bizarre!
    • CommentAuthorkaresz
    • CommentTimeDec 4th 2006
     
    ...very strange...the logo is still there...
    http://www.open-design.org/
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      CommentAuthorLobsterMan
    • CommentTimeDec 4th 2006
     
    As far as I know, open-design.org has nothing to do with our site. We don't have a logo yet, thogh the logo there looks allot like the suggested logo poster here on the forum.
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      CommentAuthorJeremyD
    • CommentTimeDec 4th 2006
     
    is it just me or does www.open-design.org and open-design.org go to two different places?
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      CommentAuthorOutsider
    • CommentTimeDec 4th 2006 edited by Outsider on the 04th December 2006 at 12:22:03 EST
     
    Something smells fishy.

    The not found page has a title "c r i s s s s s' h o m e". test
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      CommentAuthorSyuk
    • CommentTimeDec 4th 2006
     
    @Lobsterman

    Not sure about this, but the open-design.org site seems to have been around for a while, the logo is very similiar to the WIP I've seen here though, hard to call (not that I think a call is needed peace ).

    Check here.

    First thing it reminded me of was the X-BOX logo, could have been ideal colour scheme for another forum we see over the weekend.. wink
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      CommentAuthorbakercad
    • CommentTimeDec 4th 2006
     
    Posted By: JeremyDis it just me or does www.open-design.org and open-design.org go to two different places?

    sounds to me like their DNS settings are messed up.
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      CommentAuthorJeremyD
    • CommentTimeDec 4th 2006
     
    according to whois its some dude name Christian's site.
    • CommentAuthorgwolfgang
    • CommentTimeDec 4th 2006
     
    Syuk, thanks for finding that logo at open-design.org Looks terribly similar to ours, even though we had no idea about that one. What a strange coincidence. But I think our logo from elemental looks a LOT better than that other one. In the name there are some small, but significant differences. Our name is in plural opendesigns, his name is in singular. Furthermore, his site is not really in use, so our site will quickly come ahead in the ranking, and people searching for "open" and "designs" will see our entries before hiso one. After some time it will actually look the other way around, as if the other guy tried to copy our site. So we don't need to worry too much about this, I believe.
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      CommentAuthorSean
    • CommentTimeDec 4th 2006
     
    having the - in a domain name isn't good. most people type domain names without those... it flows easier.
    • CommentAuthorgwolfgang
    • CommentTimeDec 4th 2006
     
    I just checked the date of that other guys open-design.org site. His files in the subdirectory www.open-design.org/templates are from March 2004. That means, he has done nothing for over two and a half years. So that does not need to bother us very much.
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      CommentAuthorgnome
    • CommentTimeDec 4th 2006 edited by Christopher on the 05th December 2006 at 09:03:02 EST
     
    Whois domain check on open-design.org

    edited by christopher on 5th December 2006 / 17:02hrs. Please do not post full Whois records, a link to the records is enough ;)
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      CommentAuthorSean
    • CommentTimeDec 4th 2006
     
    Did we really need the entire whois posted? boogie
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      CommentAuthorgnome
    • CommentTimeDec 4th 2006
     
    Of course we need the entire whois posted. Some people don't know it exists.
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      CommentAuthorSean
    • CommentTimeDec 4th 2006
     
    how about a link to the whois page? updown
    • CommentAuthorgwolfgang
    • CommentTimeDec 4th 2006
     
    Well, seems our friend Cristian Riccardi comes from pizza country (Italy)! My favorite pizza is Funghi, the one with mushrooms! How about having an OD opening pizza event? Even the round pizza form reflects the "O" in Open Design. Just kidding. Good night everybody ... beard
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      CommentAuthorJeremyD
    • CommentTimeDec 4th 2006
     
    lol. that gives me an idea. we could do themed logos like Google does... even though G was kidd'n.
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      CommentAuthorSyuk
    • CommentTimeDec 5th 2006
     
    Lol, I don't think the Italians strictly invented pizza shocked, but it is a good idea to have holiday logo contest maybe as Jeremy suggests!

    Is it worth deleting the phone and address out of the WHOIS pasted in here? It seems redundant and could give people wrong ideas.
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    I agree posting the full Whois report is a bit pointless, so I have edited Gnome's post with a link to the Whois instead.

    Also, has anyone any idea's how we can clear up who designed which logo first? As with all due respect but this is a bit of a stupid thing to say:

    Furthermore, his site is not really in use, so our site will quickly come ahead in the ranking, and people searching for "open" and "designs" will see our entries before hiso one. After some time it will actually look the other way around, as if the other guy tried to copy our site.

    ...and I don't think we can just forget another site with almost the exact same logo exists. Can we? Purely because it may look like he copyed it, wouldn't it be better to somehow confirm this.
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      CommentAuthorSyuk
    • CommentTimeDec 5th 2006
     
    RE: Logo, timestamps show the site was in effect since '04, maybe not the logo.

    Any harm in an administrator mailing this guy and seeing about some back story? Any probs would better be exposed now rather than later on.

    It is not too unlikely IMHO that both designers looked at the letters and the symbolism and came up with the same idea independently, it would be wrong to suggest anything otherwise, the idea is fairly simplistic after all (that's my humble opinion, I realise simplistic, easy to recreate logos are the best and most valuable).

    I'd recommend that any email you guys send takes that approach, he could even prove to be an ally maybe, depending on what he is doing.
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    I emailed him after I posted my reply above, I await his reply to my email and will report back once (if) I learn more smile
    • CommentAuthorgwolfgang
    • CommentTimeDec 6th 2006 edited by gwolfgang on the 06th December 2006 at 00:47:04 EST
     
    As I and elemental made our first logo drafts, we had absolutely no idea about the other guy's site or even less about his logo. Came as a real surprise to me! I guess the letters "O" and "D" gave the same inspiration.

    @Christopher -- Great idea to email him. Let's hope he gives us an OK!
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      CommentAuthorSean
    • CommentTimeDec 6th 2006
     
    what if that other site didn't have it until you did it? have you checked cached versions of the site?
    • CommentAuthorgwolfgang
    • CommentTimeDec 6th 2006 edited by gwolfgang on the 06th December 2006 at 01:03:55 EST
     
    -- see below
    • CommentAuthorgwolfgang
    • CommentTimeDec 6th 2006 edited by gwolfgang on the 06th December 2006 at 01:20:59 EST
     
    Just checked his website.
    Here is his image directory

    File name: open-design_logo.gif (this is the file that is shown on the front page)
    File date: March 3, 2004

    Strange, because his website was just registered in September 2006 May 2006 ???
    Maybe he had his logo from earlier.
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      CommentAuthorSean
    • CommentTimeDec 6th 2006 edited by Sean on the 06th December 2006 at 01:05:36 EST
     
    It's easy to change your server or computer date and re-save a file to change the date... not saying that's what happened... but...
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      CommentAuthorSean
    • CommentTimeDec 6th 2006 edited by Sean on the 06th December 2006 at 01:06:50 EST
     
    I think some of this logo stuff and slogan stuff should be in private until things are decided... very easy for people to snatch up ideas from the new project...

    Thoughts?
    • CommentAuthorgwolfgang
    • CommentTimeDec 6th 2006
     
    That is what I thought. Will check for cached versions now!
    • CommentAuthorgwolfgang
    • CommentTimeDec 6th 2006 edited by gwolfgang on the 06th December 2006 at 01:16:00 EST
     
    1) Yahoo cached versions (March 2003 - December 2004)
    2) Google cached version (November 19, 2006):
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      CommentAuthorSean
    • CommentTimeDec 6th 2006
     
    ok, so it looks like they had it first from your links.
    • CommentAuthorgwolfgang
    • CommentTimeDec 6th 2006 edited by gwolfgang on the 06th December 2006 at 01:38:52 EST
     
    Yes, they seem to be before us, at least with a couple of weeks, but seems even longer than that.
    But what is strange is that there are cached versions of this site with similar design from 2004, but the site was registered in May 2006.

    Let's just be thankful the following sites never thought about identical logos:

    opendesigns.com
    opendesigns.net
    opendesigns.info
    opendesign.com
    opendesign.net
    opendesign.org
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      CommentAuthorSean
    • CommentTimeDec 6th 2006
     
    having cached versions from before only means someone else had the domain name first, then it expired, then someone else got it. you can tell by the registration date. if it shows may 2006 but you see cached versions from before that, then the domain expired and was purchased "as new" by someone else.

    i hope that makes sense?
    • CommentAuthorgwolfgang
    • CommentTimeDec 6th 2006 edited by gwolfgang on the 06th December 2006 at 01:44:30 EST
     
    Sean, you cautioned against having a public logo discussion in view of logo theft. Looking at the six domain names mentioned in my previous post, that could easily happen, especially since those domains don't have any good logos yet (or very simple ones). Should we go offline with the logo discussion to prevent the logo from being "stolen"? If yes, what would be the best procedure?
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      CommentAuthorSean
    • CommentTimeDec 6th 2006 edited by Sean on the 06th December 2006 at 01:49:03 EST
     
    at this time, i don't have a quick answer other then in private email with admins and people working on the logos... i need some sleep... it's been a rough few days and with the site going down today because of a glitch in code, then getting it back up in less then 2 hours, my brain is mush right now... maybe someone else will have an idea... or i will after some sleep... i am now signing off... 1:48 am here... be back later...
    • CommentAuthorgwolfgang
    • CommentTimeDec 6th 2006
     
    Sean, get some well-deserved sleep!
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      CommentAuthorChristopher
    • CommentTimeDec 6th 2006 edited by Christopher on the 06th December 2006 at 04:21:55 EST
     
    ok i have the answers!

    basically, Cristian has had his site AND his logo, since 2003, but he sees no problem for us to use the logo... but, there is another but, he would prefer us to use a similar logo with different colours, and the main logo to be a logo of a network of sites... thoughts, comments, i'll do my best to answer them if I can, also Cristian will be registering with us shortly and will be posting as well so he can better explain what he means :)
    • CommentAuthorgwolfgang
    • CommentTimeDec 6th 2006 edited by gwolfgang on the 06th December 2006 at 04:26:51 EST
     
    Thanks christopher for getting in touch with Christian:

    As for the colors:
    Christian is using different colors than we do.
    He has a green base with yellow secondary color.
    His basic logo layout, however, is very similar to ours.

    As for the network:
    I feel we are more a community of individuals sharing desings, rather than a network of sites. Looking at the history of our name (came originally from OSWD - Open Source Web design, then passed via OWD - Open Web Design) shows that our word "Open" actually symbolizes the "Open Source" idea, not so much for the "connected network" idea, even though these two ideas may have common properties. Historically, our "Open" was meant to say, everybody is free to use it.

    Edit: Just saw that Cristian entered a post over at the "Logo" Thread.

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