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    I'm not trying to defend the submission and use of such language in templates which are aimed at a general audience regardless of age, but, if you were to check the template authors site (FYFI) of the design in question (gTheme) then you'd notice that it is specific to the template authors site name and slogan, not necessarily to the design. So should we restrict all submission sent by that specific template author, as you wouldn't like the linkback to a site with such language on? How far should we go to silence people from using such language?

    I'm not trying to be picky or anything, I'm genuinely curious as to what people would like to see done about it. If there is input from the majority of people saying that they would prefer not to see such informal language in templates then I'm pretty sure a rule can be added stating that no such words are allowed, and designs would be rejected for it.

    Reason I say "informal language" is because the word fucking is generally seen as a colloquial intensifier, so in this example of use in the template and authors site, instead of just saying "for your information" it's made much stronger (and even slightly abusive to some people) and with a deeper tone of voice.

    @yugnats - I cannot remember the template you're referring to, could you refresh my memory. Also whilst you may say "mods have no control over template submission's" please think about this, do admins have absolute control? Simple answer, no. The control admins have regarding what design will be accepted or rejected is based upon the rules and guidelines listed above, which will obviously be updated as and when needed if people think of, and others agree, any new rules or guidelines that should be in place.

    Can an admin reject a design because it contain's a word which they don't think suits the site though? No, because the rules are put in place by the community, that's the whole objective of the site, being community run, not just 1 or 2 people deciding what goes and what doesn't.

    If an admin were to reject a design based on their personal judgement, then people would complain that admins are abusing what power they have, it's about sticking to the rules and guidelines that are put in place by the community as a whole, if its an issue and people think something needs adding / changing then speak up and something will be done about. It's no good people saying they're not sure how to bring it up, as nothing would ever get done that way!

    Yes I'm very upfront about this, but I hope others are too. Voice your opinion and things can be done, keeping it to yourselves won't solve anything.

    // end rant and long post tongue
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      CommentAuthoryugnats
    • CommentTimeJun 2nd 2007
     
    Posted By: ChristopherI cannot remember the template you're referring to, could you refresh my memory.

    Hmm, i can't seem to find the thread or design either- maybe it was on the old OWD forum that got deleted. i believe it was a template that had a bunch of religious things in it and a few people mentioned it in the forum but it wasn't removed (i assume it was because it didn't break the rules).


    Posted By: ChristopherVoice your opinion and things can be done, keeping it to yourselves won't solve anything.

    That's exactly what I did and I might add there are very few who are willing to question things here for some reason.

    Not trying to start trouble or anything but sometimes it takes these threads to get action (which is what we are getting now, thank you).

    bigsmile
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    "i believe it was a template that had a bunch of religious things in it" - Ooh that just sparked something and I remember that, it was to do with a specific religion and people thought it may be intruding beyond personal beliefs and that people should just simply stick to Lorem ipsum for dummy text (or something along those lines anyway) but yeah, that thread certainly rings a bell smile

    "That's exactly what I did and I might add there are very few who are willing to question things here for some reason." - neutral <- The blank face sums it up rather well in my opinion... I don't know why people won't speak their minds, I guess not much can be done to change that though which makes it worse in some respects. So shall we both just sit here and wait for others to speak up about their thoughts, or... ummm yeah, input guys and girls, input!

    p.s. No trouble / offense / anything of that sort taken or implied wink
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      CommentAuthorgnome
    • CommentTimeJun 2nd 2007
     
    <rant>
    I feel that such informal language should not be permitted in templates or forum posts. I feel that such language should be censored with Astrixes( *), and that we use an identical policy in the forum. The other (censorship) option is to delete any offending posts or designs. With forum posts, there is a third option of replacing the content of the post with /* removed for language */. I would prefer to simply make conservative use of the Asterix. In the rule, there should be a given set of words which will be censored if used inappropriately. Everything has its place, even bold, red blinking curses, but I don't believe that the forum or templates here is the right place.
    </rant>
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      CommentAuthorSyuk
    • CommentTimeJun 3rd 2007 edited by Syuk on the 03rd June 2007 at 09:58:20 EDT
     
    Personally it does not bother me at all, and I am sure that 99% of people are familiar with the language, and it is a very common phrase here in the UK.

    But just imagine if FYFI had titled his / her template 'for your f*ing information' (not Gtheme) and then that string appeared on all the sites who are using the OD RSS feed.

    I am just speaking my mind, and don't want to target FYFI. It is a good template (and site) and I also don't want to recommend a tactic that could ultimately 'silence' people either, but maybe some board decision on profanity would be useful, indeed it is possibly legally required for this website.

    What would the consensus be if a very good designer posted a template and linked to a overtly racist / homophobic / religous zealotry homepage?

    My own sensibilities were not offended by looking at the template in question , but as Gnome says there is a place for everything.

    Peace bakie
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      CommentAuthorjanpd24
    • CommentTimeJun 5th 2007
     
    Well, I think there is a context for almost everything -- just like tables! In case of the submitted design (gTheme), that particular word doesn't add anything to it. It's not like it matches with the theme in some way or with the content. In fact, the designs is called gTheme, but I can't figure out why!

    That it's been submitted here at OD means it's in the the hope that someone might download and use it. Depending on what sort of audience you envisage for your templates, you should do all you can to not alienate them in any way.

    Unless of course, that's the whole idea in the first place!

    Yes, I know I'm digressing slightly from the subject at hand, which is to understand what to do in this sort of situation in the future! sorry!
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    As a Christian I was bothered/offended by the language. I agree with gnome that such language should not be permitted in templates or the forum. I think that if someone comes to this site and sees such language they are more likely not to come back. I don't, however necessarily think that censoring the links on a template should be done.
    • CommentAuthorzanzibar
    • CommentTimeJun 6th 2007
     
    Hi All,
    I just wanted to introduce myself and say hello to everyone. I think there is some fantastic talent on this
    site and enjoy reading all your comments. I just submitted my first design and hope it will be approved.

    I'm keeping my fingers crossed!!
    • CommentAuthorDreamckr
    • CommentTimeJun 7th 2007
     
    Hi!

    I have been taking the time to read the posts of this community and find it a well put together community. I like the controversy that FYFI has made. I have read the opinions and find myself asking this question, "Is this not an OpenDesign area?" I personally don't hold any negativity towards FYFI template. I think its creative, inventive, and imaginative.

    The template itself is sound and clean. I can understand where people may get their feathers ruffled but at the same time think about this... The author's own website is FYFI. They created their own blog in the same manner and is just sharing it with others who may share the same attitude. I think it was wise of the author to name it (gtheme). I consider FYFI just as their logo. So maybe it shouldn't be on all the templates but ultimately people are going to wide up at FYFI home page showing the offensive language and its their design and logo so is it really offensive language? Do you really want to have put restrictions on author's sites as well? bakie

    Anyway I am eager to submit my own design soon and hope that it will be approved.

    See ya bigsmile
    • CommentAuthorzanzibar
    • CommentTimeJun 7th 2007
     
    Question about buttons

    4. Buttons (e.g. W3C) are not allowed in designs..

    I presume this to mean that we cannot put W3C buttons on a template but that navigation buttons are fine?
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      CommentAuthorLobsterMan
    • CommentTimeJun 8th 2007
     
    zanzibar:
    Any button that is part of the design, such as navigation is OK. Unrelated buttons, such as validation buttons etc. can not be used.
    • CommentAuthorzanzibar
    • CommentTimeJun 8th 2007
     
    Thanks for the clarificaton Lobsterman..

    I submitted my first design two days ago and it still shows as pending, but when I view the file in the admin sector it shows an error, "No design specified". The file is zipped and everything is OK on my computer. Am I doing something wrong? I have seen other posts where people have had difficulties uploading.
    How long does it take for a file to be accepted or rejected?
    Thanks anyone for your input
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    Designs may take anything from a couple of days, to a couple of weeks, to be approved. It depends on how many are submitted before yours, generally it will take on average 4 days.

    However as an example, when Open Designs was first started everyone submitted their designs quite rapidly and it took a while to get through them all. This was because we have to make sure each design receives a fair amount of time of the front page, as that is where the main promotion for the templates and designers is.

    I'm sure you'll understand when your design hits the front page (later today wink) and see how long your design stays on the front page :)
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      CommentAuthorkirby145
    • CommentTimeJun 14th 2007
     
    My suggestion


    Designs would not be allowed if

    1. The design itself contains inappropriate language

    2. The design links to sites with inappropriate language under the Creative Commons Attribution license (X.x), meaning that the link is not allowed to be removed by the users.

    • CommentAuthorgraystatic
    • CommentTimeJul 11th 2007
     
    those sound good kirby145 bakie
    • CommentAuthorperthmetro
    • CommentTimeJul 11th 2007
     
    Why not give the administrators the right to delete/change the offending words rather than refuse the design outright?
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      CommentAuthorDENiAL
    • CommentTimeJul 29th 2007
     
    Posted By: perthmetroWhy not give the administrators the right to delete/change the offending words rather than refuse the design outright?


    I think it would be better to refuse the design, and leave the decision to the author. I personally left OWD, because my designs where altered without my permission before they where downloaded, I know I'm not the only one who came to the same conclusion.

    Personally, My belief, is "open" source, means more then, "free". It also means, I can say, and do what I want and release it to the community, to do and what the want with it. If the language bothers you, then don't download it. Don't support it, and don't encourage it, however, ostersizing someone because they don't hold the same belief structure as you do, seems like it would be the wrong thing to do in an open community.

    Of course, this is all my opinion on the matter, and, as stated above, this is a community driven web site, therefore, I have to respect the wishes of the community as a whole, so what ever is decided, I will backup 100%. :D
    • CommentAuthorprydonian
    • CommentTimeOct 15th 2007
     
    Ouch, no java&#115cript. I have this nice &#115cript that makes a breadcrumb trail that looks very nice in a navbar.

    Oh well, rules are rules. cry
    • CommentAuthorMike Weiss
    • CommentTimeOct 15th 2007
     
    Posted By: prydonianOuch, no java&#115cript. I have this nice &#115cript that makes a breadcrumb trail that looks very nice in a navbar.<br /><br />Oh well, rules are rules. <img ALT="cry" SRC="http:///forum/extensions/Vanillacons/smilies/standard/cry.gif"/> </blockquote><br /><br />You can always provide the &#115cript in the template, and leave it up to the end user to implement it. </div> </li><li id="Comment_17435" class="Alternate"> <a name="Item_20"></a> <div class="CommentHeader"> <ul> <li> <span>CommentAuthor</span><a href="/profile/?user=prydonian">prydonian</a></li> <li> <span>CommentTime</span>Nov 26th 2007</li> </ul> <span> &nbsp; </span> </div><div class="CommentBody" id="CommentBody_17435"><blockquote>You can always provide the &#115cript in the template, and leave it up to the end user to implement it. </blockquote><br /><br />Fair Point. Thanks!<br /><br />Nathan <img alt="surfing" src="/forum/extensions/Vanillacons/smilies/cool/surfing.gif" /> </div> </li><li id="Comment_17995"> <a name="Item_21"></a> <div class="CommentHeader"> <ul> <li> <div class="CommentIcon" style="background-image:url('http://karenblundell.com/arwen54.jpg');">&nbsp;</div> <span>CommentAuthor</span><a href="/profile/?user=arwen54">arwen54</a></li> <li> <span>CommentTime</span>15 hours ago</li> </ul> <span> &nbsp; </span> </div><div class="CommentBody" id="CommentBody_17995">Question: I see quite a few sites now have sponsor links in the footers and they have released the template under the CC licence. Now, I need admin to clarify that those sponsor links can be removed by anyone who downloads the template as long as the link to the template designer is left intact, correct? </div> </li><li id="Comment_17996" class="Alternate"> <a name="Item_22"></a> <div class="CommentHeader"> <ul> <li> <span>CommentAuthor</span><a href="/profile/?user=onebucktemplates.com">onebucktemplates.com</a></li> <li> <span>CommentTime</span>14 hours ago <em>edited by onebucktemplates.com on the 12th December 2007 at 17:20:38 EST</em></li> </ul> <span> &nbsp; </span> </div><div class="CommentBody" id="CommentBody_17996">If themes are released under CC and nothing else is specified in the template files I think you can remove everything, even designers link. For example I don't know what templates you are referring to but I have templates released under CC and have 2 links in the footer on some templates but I didn't write anywhere that you have to leave those links but it would be nice to do so <img alt="wink" src="/forum/extensions/Vanillacons/smilies/standard/wink.gif" /><br /><br />Attribution (by): Licensees may copy, distribute, display and perform the work and make derivative works based on it only if they give the author or licensor the credits in the manner specified by these. </div> </li><li id="Comment_17997"> <a name="Item_23"></a> <div class="CommentHeader"> <ul> <li> <div class="CommentIcon" style="background-image:url('http://www.openwebdesign.org/images/userimages/Gnome/large.jpg');">&nbsp;</div> <span>CommentAuthor</span><a href="/profile/?user=gnome">gnome</a></li> <li> <span>CommentTime</span>14 hours ago <em>edited by gnome on the 12th December 2007 at 17:43:51 EST</em></li> </ul> <span> &nbsp; </span> </div><div class="CommentBody" id="CommentBody_17997">(this is not official, just what I think based on my knowledge of copyright laws and licenses ) You <b>must</b> leave the link to the <b>author</b>. Always lean on the safe side, and email the author for details if you are unsure.<br /><br />If you are using a CC License and not clearly specifying your method of credit, this site's FAQ will specify the manner of attribution (a link in the footer) at some time in the future. Some people use the CC license, but don't actually understand it, and really should be using public domain if they don't care, because that gives corporate users here the freedom they need to use templates. </div> </li><li id="Comment_18000" class="Alternate"> <a name="Item_24"></a> <div class="CommentHeader"> <ul> <li> <span>CommentAuthor</span><a href="/profile/?user=onebucktemplates.com">onebucktemplates.com</a></li> <li> <span>CommentTime</span>13 hours ago <em>edited by onebucktemplates.com on the 12th December 2007 at 18:40:42 EST</em></li> </ul> <span> &nbsp; </span> </div><div class="CommentBody" id="CommentBody_18000">may copy, distribute, display and perform the work and make derivative works based on it only if they <b>give the author or licensor the credits in the manner specified by these</b>.<br /><br />It is kind of tricky <img alt="wink" src="/forum/extensions/Vanillacons/smilies/standard/wink.gif" /><br /><br />I apply CC license so no one can say it is their work like it happens with public domain ... If there is no link in the footer I don't mind but I will mind if someone says it is designed by Them. </div> </li><li id="Comment_18001"> <a name="Item_25"></a> <div class="CommentHeader"> <ul> <li> <div class="CommentIcon" style="background-image:url('http://christopher.edg3.co.uk/graphics/32_x_32.jpg');">&nbsp;</div> <span>CommentAuthor</span><a href="/profile/?user=Christopher">Christopher</a></li> <li> <span>CommentTime</span>13 hours ago</li> </ul> <span> &nbsp; </span> </div><div class="CommentBody" id="CommentBody_18001">It also depends on what version and type of Creatives Commons licensing is used. Without specific information like that it is impossible to advise on the exact terms of use. </div> </li><li id="Comment_18002" class="Alternate"> <a name="Item_26"></a> <div class="CommentHeader"> <ul> <li> <div class="CommentIcon" style="background-image:url('http://www.openwebdesign.org/images/userimages/Gnome/large.jpg');">&nbsp;</div> <span>CommentAuthor</span><a href="/profile/?user=gnome">gnome</a></li> <li> <span>CommentTime</span>12 hours ago <em>edited by gnome on the 12th December 2007 at 19:20:04 EST</em></li> </ul> <span> &nbsp; </span> </div><div class="CommentBody" id="CommentBody_18002">The basic premise of the licensing scheme used here is this: PD work does not require attribution, although it is courteous to attribute the template maker; CC work does require attribution, and is a good bit stronger, since the creator holds copyrights; GPL is for those who really want their work protected, and know what the GPL is all about.<br /><br />EDIT: I sound like a broken record. </div> </li><li id="Comment_18008"> <a name="Item_27"></a> <div class="CommentHeader"> <ul> <li> <span>CommentAuthor</span><a href="/profile/?user=MattKern">MattKern</a></li> <li> <span>CommentTime</span>9 hours ago</li> </ul> <span> &nbsp; </span> </div><div class="CommentBody" id="CommentBody_18008">I have often wondered who sets the licensing scheme for each template here. <br /><br />Some templates specifically say "no commercial work" but the general vibe of OD is creative commons attribution.<br /><br />Which one wins? </div> </li></ol> </div><div class="ContentInfo Middle"> <div class="PageInfo"> <p>51 to 77 of 77</p> <ol class="PageList"> <li><a href="/forum/discussion/268/1/site-rules-design-submission-guidelines/">&#60;</a></li> <li><a href="/forum/discussion/268/1/site-rules-design-submission-guidelines/">1</a></li> <li class="CurrentPage">2</li> <li>&#62;</li> </ol> </div> </div></div> <a id="pgbottom" name="pgbottom">&nbsp;</a> </div></div> </div> </div> </div> <!-- #footer: holds bottom menu and copyright --> <div id="footer"> <div class="width"> <!-- #footerCorners: Rounded menu bar base corners --> <div id="footerCorners"></div> <!-- #footerMenu: Footer menu --> <div id="footerMenu"> <ul> <li><a href="/meet-the-board/">TODC Board</a></li> <li><a href="/help/" title="Get help">Help</a></li> <li class="last"><a href=" /sitemap/" title="Figure out where you are">Site Map</a></li> </ul> </div> <!-- #copyright: copyright, links, whatever --> <div id="copyright"> Design by <a href="http://fullahead.org" title="Visit FullAhead">FullAhead</a>. 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