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      CommentAuthorSean
    • CommentTimeJan 3rd 2007 edited by LobsterMan on the 04th January 2007 at 15:25:28 EST
     
    Hey everyone. I just finished adding a site map for the site. We already had one in place for the search engines.

    I also added a help section page but need content for it, so this is where you the community comes in bigsmile

    What sort of FAQ's or Help questions and answers should be on the page? Please comment here with your suggestions and ideas and I'll get them added to the page.
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      CommentAuthorjanpd24
    • CommentTimeJan 3rd 2007
     
    Definitely a "Why can't I see the forum?"!
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      CommentAuthorSean
    • CommentTimeJan 3rd 2007
     
    @janpd24: You need to be logged in to see or use the forum.

    I will add that to the list for the help/FAQ page.
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      CommentAuthorjanpd24
    • CommentTimeJan 3rd 2007
     
    Yes, I know that! :-) And I have noticed that even when things like that are spelled out clearly, people still ask!
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      CommentAuthorJeremyD
    • CommentTimeJan 3rd 2007
     
    definitely something explaining the different licenses.
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      CommentAuthorsnop
    • CommentTimeJan 3rd 2007
     
    Few random ideas:

    1. An explanation of web standards and why they're important when it comes to the web (tack on reasons why CSS design > table design)

    2. Links to resources where people can more about how to edit CSS/XHTML (might help avoid the posts of "I downloaded this template and it looks funny in Frontpage...")

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      CommentAuthorDENiAL
    • CommentTimeJan 3rd 2007
     
    Also, something explaining standards, css/xhtml. I had to explain this to a potential client, and I think it would be something that could be used be the less, ummm.. "technical" people who would come to the site. :D
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      CommentAuthorSean
    • CommentTimeJan 3rd 2007
     
    Thanks for the suggestions. Now if you could also provide the actual content, that would be a huge help.
    • CommentAuthorrefueled
    • CommentTimeJan 3rd 2007 edited by Sean on the 27th June 2008 at 01:44:16 EDT
     
    @sean -

    Web Standards -

    Web standards is a general term for the formal standards and other technical specifications that define and describe aspects of the World Wide Web. In recent years, the term has been more frequently associated with the web standards movement: a growing trend of endorsement of a set of standardized best practices for building web sites, and a broader philosophy of web design and development that includes those methods.

    Many interdependent standards and specifications, some of which govern aspects of the Internet, not just the World Wide Web, directly or indirectly affect the development and administration of web sites and web services. While any of these may be called "web standards", advocates within the web standards movement tend to focus on the higher-level standards that most directly affect the accessibility and usability of web sites.

    (of course, this is taken from Wikipedia.)

    bigsmile
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      CommentAuthorSean
    • CommentTimeJan 3rd 2007
     
    Thanks refueled. How about a condensed version? and also a link to your source/wikipedia? That way the help/faq page won't be a mile long and we can link to outside sources as well.
    • CommentAuthorrefueled
    • CommentTimeJan 3rd 2007
     
    Sure, give me a minute or two and I'll clean it up. along with direct links back to wikipedia.
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      CommentAuthorSean
    • CommentTimeJan 3rd 2007
     
    Great! Thanks refueled. Community involvement at it's best bigsmile
    • CommentAuthorrefueled
    • CommentTimeJan 3rd 2007 edited by refueled on the 03rd January 2007 at 13:48:39 EST
     
    I don't think you need to link to wikipedia with this version, though I could be wrong. Here is their direct link just in case: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_standards

    My condensed version:

    Web Standards is a general term for the formal standards that describe aspects of the World Wide Web. It tends to be associated with a higher-level of development that has a direct effect on the accessibility and usability of web sites.


    Whatever else you need, just ask. cool
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      CommentAuthorSean
    • CommentTimeJan 3rd 2007
     
    Take a look at the revised help page.
    • CommentAuthorrefueled
    • CommentTimeJan 3rd 2007
     
    It's looking great!

    Here is a simple CSS definition:

    Cascading Style Sheets: Language used to describe how an HTML document should be formatted.


    Sources
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      CommentAuthorJeremyD
    • CommentTimeJan 3rd 2007
     
    I'd write up an explanation of the different Licenses, but to be honest I hardly understand them...
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      CommentAuthorSean
    • CommentTimeJan 3rd 2007
     
    I've added two brief license descriptions to the page.

    Does anyone have links to official definitions of the licenses? That would be good to link directly to them.
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    • CommentAuthorrefueled
    • CommentTimeJan 3rd 2007 edited by refueled on the 03rd January 2007 at 15:13:50 EST
     
    GNU

    Creative Commons

    Public Domain not sure about this one.
    • CommentAuthorrefueled
    • CommentTimeJan 3rd 2007 edited by refueled on the 03rd January 2007 at 15:14:14 EST
     
    @Christopher

    oops. didnt see your post before I posted mine.
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    Posted By: refueled
    oops. didnt see your post before I posted mine.

    no problem ;o) hehe
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      CommentAuthorSean
    • CommentTimeJan 3rd 2007
     
    Check out the help section now. Much cleaner.

    Keep up the great work everyone. The more people help, the better the site will become.
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    Shall we stick a link in to the registration where it says reistration is free?
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      CommentAuthorSean
    • CommentTimeJan 3rd 2007
     
    hehe, I actually just did that before I read your comment.
    • CommentAuthorrefueled
    • CommentTimeJan 3rd 2007 edited by Sean on the 27th June 2008 at 01:44:32 EDT
     
    @sean -

    It looks awesome!

    What do you think of having a contact form at the bottom for those that still need questions answered?
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      CommentAuthorChristopher
    • CommentTimeJan 3rd 2007 edited by Christopher on the 03rd January 2007 at 15:41:43 EST
     
    good good, i just noticed that i can't even spell registration correctly twice in one post :p

    one more thought for the help section, maybe we should have a "how can i stay updated?" or something along those lines, section listing the RSS Feeds that people can subscribe to, e.g. the news, or the designs, etc.

    or maybe a, "need more help?" section, with main contact details etc.

    /* edit: i can't spell this evening!!! */
    • CommentAuthorrefueled
    • CommentTimeJan 3rd 2007
     
    Posted By: christopher
    or maybe a, "need more help?" section, with main contact details etc.

    Much better than a contact form. I can just see it being misused.
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      CommentAuthormdizzle
    • CommentTimeJan 3rd 2007
     
    Maybe you should also have a link pointing to the board and mods (when they're chosen), so that people know who they need to go to with help on specific topics (aka: forum or site issues).
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      CommentAuthorJeremyD
    • CommentTimeJan 3rd 2007
     
    Christopher's mentioning of staying in touch gave me an idea. Its kinda crazy/would be a pain in the butt to create by hand (although maybe possible through some sort of plugin? not sure) but..
    Individual RSS feeds. That way if someone has a favorite designer, they can subscribe to their individual feed and get notified of when they put out a new design. That way someone doesnt have to look through the site-wide RSS feeds to see if their favorite designer has done anything new.
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    I think there needs to be a short description of the different licenses, perhaps one or two sentences, on this site. I don't know about others, but I don't want to read several paragraphs of text to figure out what the difference is between public domain and GNU GPL. Frankly, I still don't know. My eyes just glazed over and my brain went blank when I was reading the lengthy explanations.

    Of course, the external links are still useful for those who want a deeper explanation. It would just be good to have a little summary of each license type below each link there on the help page.
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    Yeah i agree JeremyD - individual RSS feeds would be great. Also, there could be updates on a kind of "user home page", like new comments from forum topics that they've started or commented on (just like in the SitePoint forums).
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      CommentAuthorSean
    • CommentTimeJan 3rd 2007 edited by Sean on the 03rd January 2007 at 16:10:04 EST
     
    More edits done to the help page. I just need a basic description for GPL now.
    • CommentAuthorrefueled
    • CommentTimeJan 3rd 2007
     
    This is what I got out of the creative commons:
    Attribution: you must attribute the work
    Attribution-No Derivs: you must attribute, no alterations
    Attribution-Non Commercial-No Derivs: must attribute, no alterations, not for commercial use
    Attribution-Non Commercial-ShareAlike: must attribute, not for commercial use, if you alter/transform work; you may distribute under same license.
    Attribution- ShareAlike: must attribute, if you alter/transform work; you may distribute under same license.
    I can definitely work on the GPL. but this also sounds like a "who can come up with the best basic description" contest. but thats just me. bigsmile
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      CommentAuthorSean
    • CommentTimeJan 3rd 2007
     
    Only reason why I say brief description is so we don't fill the page up with license information. If someone needs more details, they can click the links to the detailed licenses.
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      CommentAuthorLobsterMan
    • CommentTimeJan 3rd 2007
     
    Posted By: refueledThis is what I got out of the creative commons:
    Attribution:you must attribute the work
    Attribution-No Derivs:you must attribute, no alterations
    Attribution-Non Commercial-No Derivs:must attribute, no alterations, not for commercial use
    Attribution-Non Commercial-ShareAlike:must attribute, not for commercial use, if you alter/transform work; you may distribute under same license.
    Attribution- ShareAlike:must attribute, if you alter/transform work; you may distribute under same license.
    I can definitely work on the GPL. but this also sounds like a "who can come up with the bestbasic description" contest. but thats just me.<img alt=" title="bigsmile">


    The only CC license that IMHO is fit for this site is attribution. no commercial is definatly out of the question.
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      CommentAuthorJeremyD
    • CommentTimeJan 3rd 2007
     
    correct me if I'm wrong, but isnt GPL the same as public domain except it keeps people from distributing it for anything other than free?

    and I agree that Attribution is the only CC License that is fit for this place.
    • CommentAuthorLourdes
    • CommentTimeJan 3rd 2007 edited by Lourdes on the 03rd January 2007 at 18:17:02 EST
     
    Posted By: snop
    Links to resources where people can more about how to edit CSS/XHTML (might help avoid the posts of "I downloaded this template and it looks funny in Frontpage...")

    I recommend Real-time HTML Editor. Very handy when editing templates from OD, OSWD, or OWD - although I can only imagine what it must do to bandwidth if a bunch of people use it over and over and over again. neutral Although I guess if you know how to make the editor work for you, then you won't really need it in the first place. shamed
    • CommentAuthorrefueled
    • CommentTimeJan 3rd 2007
     
    Should I keep going with this or will it still be too long at this rate?

    Brief Description of the GPL:

    1. This license applies to any product that contains a notice place by the copyright saying it may be distributed under the terms of the GPL.
    2. You may copy & distribute products source code as you receive it. As long as you keep intact all notices that refers to this license.
    3. You may modify the product as long as:

    • modified files carry notices stating you change the file and include date changed

    • product is to be licensed at no charge to all third parties under the terms of this license

    • if original product displays an announcement including a copyright notice and a notice stating no warranty and users may redistribute under these conditions, you must have the same display with modified product.



    4. …..


    I still have 9 more points to shorten, and thats just the terms and agreements. Maybe I can still continue and then someone else can modify what I've done?
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      CommentAuthorSean
    • CommentTimeJan 3rd 2007
     
    I think maybe for GPL we just keep the dedicated link for people to look at... or look at the other two licenses and see how they're shortened to give a brief understanding of them.
    • CommentAuthorrefueled
    • CommentTimeJan 3rd 2007 edited by Sean on the 27th June 2008 at 01:44:48 EDT
     
    @sean
    sounds good. by the way, check your email.
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      CommentAuthorarwen54
    • CommentTimeJan 3rd 2007
     
    you're doing an awesome job of the help section!
    thumbup
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      CommentAuthorLobsterMan
    • CommentTimeJan 4th 2007
     
    Shortly, the GPL lets you do whatever you want with the product, as long as you keep the license (i'm pretty sure that's a condition) and release any derived work back to the public under the GPL
    • CommentAuthormadrock
    • CommentTimeJan 4th 2007
     
    the Attribution CC-GPL is no different to the CC-GPL really!

    Just because you have to attribute does not mean you have to do it on the template once you've changed it, this has been talked about before! As long as you not claiming the original as your own your doing nothing wrong by obmitting the original designers name/link/whatever tongue

    Just because you have a link saying Created By: so-and-so, you could still remove this and not be inbreach of the CC-GPL. the Attribution does not have to be advertised!
    • CommentAuthorrefueled
    • CommentTimeJan 4th 2007 edited by refueled on the 04th January 2007 at 02:14:02 EST
     
    I myself just prefer public domain. I dont bother with those other licenses.
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    @madrock - quite true, but the CC Attribution license stops trouble like with DreamTemplate, as they would have to credit you and would not be able to sell it on without a credit to the original designer, so it *could* in theory be used to help prevent things like that. we're all so self-centered that it's just about using it for backlinks and attribution on the template itself, but the main reason i use it is people can't sell my designs without giving me proper credit somewhere... get what i'm saying? (not being rude, just not sure if i made sense hehe)