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      CommentAuthorChristopher
    • CommentTimeNov 28th 2006 edited by Christopher on the 28th November 2006 at 15:43:43 EST
     
    Right, the basic requirements are as followed:


    • 3 Column Design

    • 980px Fixed Width

    • Flexible and valid XHTML & CSS code

    • The first 2 columns should be kept within an 800px width (to keep the main content viewable on smaller screen resolutions)



    The deadline is December 28th 2006 @ 12 AM GMT, all entries will go into a poll and will be voted upon, the winners design will then be coded and installed into the site!

    Any question, comments, queries, or whatever, post them here :)
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      CommentAuthorbakercad
    • CommentTimeNov 28th 2006 edited by bakercad on the 28th November 2006 at 14:54:14 EST
     
    there was mention in another post of this being a Photoshop design? Does it have to be PSD? Could it be a PNG (for Fireworks users)? Let keep it open to all, not limit ourselves.

    EDIT: just saw this....Flexible and valid XHTML & CSS code.
    Sorry for opening my big trap to quickly.
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      CommentAuthorLobsterMan
    • CommentTimeNov 28th 2006
     
    The other designs will be released for download on the sitebigsmile
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      CommentAuthorLobsterMan
    • CommentTimeNov 28th 2006
     
    To be more clear on the deadline, It's December 28th 12 AM GMT
    A means of submitting your designs will be added shortly.
    Get to work guys peace
    • CommentAuthorluka
    • CommentTimeNov 28th 2006
     
    Could help if we figure an idea for a framework. Designers could make a design here without knowing what thumbnail sizes to use, what components to include. I guess the forum will be on a separate page but new topics will be listed on the main page. Are we looking for something similar to the current openwebdesign.org?

    Let's agree on the possible framework components and try to draw something first so we don't end up designing header, footer and 3 empty columns :)

    Brainstormers, join the discussion to make a flawless framework.
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      CommentAuthorLobsterMan
    • CommentTimeNov 28th 2006
     
    good thinking luka, lets get the ideas flying.
    • CommentAuthorluka
    • CommentTimeNov 28th 2006 edited by luka on the 28th November 2006 at 15:54:13 EST
     
    Let's list some of the essential components we'll use on the site and I can draw a sketch how it can be organized.

    Feel free to modify:

    - 10 latest templates
    - 3 most popular templates
    - Latest Forum topics
    - Designologue?

    I made this list while having update in mind. The site could be organized in such way so that admins don't have to work on the site all the time. Instead, community generated content is regularly posted and the site is always fresh.

    Offcourse we'll need atleast two frameworks, one for the initial page and the other slightly modified for all of the subpages.
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      CommentAuthoryugnats
    • CommentTimeNov 28th 2006
     
    i'm using a 160px by 120px thumbnail on http://beta.wpdesign.org and they look OK but maybe they are too big for here?

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      CommentAuthorLobsterMan
    • CommentTimeNov 28th 2006
     
    i think larger thumbnails are a good idea for the inner pages
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      CommentAuthoryugnats
    • CommentTimeNov 28th 2006 edited by yugnats on the 28th November 2006 at 16:01:12 EST
     
    The site could be organized in such way so that admins don't have to work on the site all the time. Instead, community generated content is regularly posted and the site is always fresh.


    thats exactly what i am doing/have done with beta.wpdesign.org. if you sign-up there you can upload a design and its visable immediately. right now a thumbnail named screenshot.jpg at 160 by 120 has to be in the root for it to display properly but an auto thumb generator is possible.

    i am going to dedicate quite a bit of time to it in the next few weeks so we'll see what happens :)
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      CommentAuthorgnome
    • CommentTimeNov 28th 2006
     
    what should be in each column? Menu, content, and...

    Also, I guess my idea of a % width has been given up on, probably due to difficulty...
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      CommentAuthorLobsterMan
    • CommentTimeNov 28th 2006
     
    I was thinking a general 3 column design, the 3 column layout will be the same in all pages, though the content will change, so adding different types of demo content is good.
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      CommentAuthorgnome
    • CommentTimeNov 28th 2006
     
    @lobsterman: one more post and you will be at 111.

    so the middle column has the most width?
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      CommentAuthorjanpd24
    • CommentTimeNov 28th 2006
     
    Do we have a preferred colours scheme or is that open as well? And what happens to the logo?
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      CommentAuthorgnome
    • CommentTimeNov 28th 2006
     
    the logo will be made after the design is chosen, I believe
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    I think the colour scheme is completely open to your freedom and ideas :)
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      CommentAuthorgnome
    • CommentTimeNov 28th 2006 edited by gnome on the 28th November 2006 at 16:14:40 EST
     
    I think we should just use that monotone, blank design lobsterman made...forever.
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      CommentAuthoricyone
    • CommentTimeNov 28th 2006
     
    I think the more freedom all the designers have the better. Are designers limited to just one submission. As it might be cool if we have more designs to vote on. again I'm just a non designer voicing opinion (again) this forum is really evolving its really cool. Good luck everyone I'm excited to see everyones submissions. thumbup
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      CommentAuthorjanpd24
    • CommentTimeNov 28th 2006
     
    Yes, there's something in that bigsmile . I'm in favour of a clean look like the Solucija site.
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      CommentAuthorelemental
    • CommentTimeNov 28th 2006 edited by elemental on the 28th November 2006 at 20:24:30 EST
     
    My thoughts on a structure of our new site, feel free to add/remove:

    Design downloads:
    - XHTML/CSS templates
    - CMS themes
    - Graphic design maybe, etc.
    + Search and sort
    Forum
    Articles, written by members of the community
    + Tutorials
    Resources - CSS hacks, layouts, links, useful stuff generally
    F.A.Q.

    The main page:

    Latest designs, the more the better
    Design of the week - at the end of each week, we can vote it from the designs submitted that week, and it will show on the front page for the next week, or if that's too long, for 3 days or so.
    Latest forum threads
    Featured article
    A Designer blog maybe...
    An Open blog maybe...
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      CommentAuthorjanpd24
    • CommentTimeNov 28th 2006
     
    Would the "articles" be part of the "designer blog"?
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      CommentAuthorelemental
    • CommentTimeNov 28th 2006 edited by elemental on the 28th November 2006 at 20:26:00 EST
     
    No, I was thinking of the open blog like a way to share what's on your mind, or something that you found on the web, kinda like the Designer link blog on OSWD, but updated by members, and the articles a separate section where you can write an article about different subjects, you know, share your knowledge with others, like on Attackr. A, and maybe a Tutorials sub-section too...

    Edit: I love having an edit feature. bigsmile
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      CommentAuthorjanpd24
    • CommentTimeNov 29th 2006
     
    I'm just trying to figure out how it'll work. Most of the members already have their own blogs/sites.
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      CommentAuthorLobsterMan
    • CommentTimeNov 29th 2006
     
    The blog network will be a way of promoting your blog. You will submit your RSS feed, and the latest posts from your blog will show on the site.
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      CommentAuthorarwen54
    • CommentTimeNov 29th 2006
     
    excellent!

    question: can moderators submit content (templates, articles, tutorials)?
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    For the tutorials I think we could have a Wiki section where all registered users will be able to post content, and build it up into a large database as such of user submitted tutorials, maybe?
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      CommentAuthorarwen54
    • CommentTimeNov 29th 2006
     
    christopher, that sounds like a great idea.
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      CommentAuthorSean
    • CommentTimeNov 29th 2006
     
    There are a few plus and minuses to having a Wiki.

    The biggest issue I see is quality control. Because anyone can edit them at any time, there is always people who mess with them or delete information. I've seen this happen with wikipedia.

    Now if we had moderators and people handling quality control, then it could work but having the ability to edit and have that information show up live on the fly could open a can of worms, not saying it would happen but I want to toss that out there.

    The plus side to a wiki is the obvious, it's something people can add to... so I think if the issue of moderation/quality control can be addressed, it might be a good idea.

    Thoughts?
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      CommentAuthorJeremyD
    • CommentTimeNov 29th 2006
     
    Maybe theres some sort of way to set it so only members that have been there for a small # of days (like 1-5 or so) can post in wiki. That would keep adbots/some idiots out.
    • CommentAuthorgwolfgang
    • CommentTimeNov 29th 2006
     
    I think, adding a small moderator team to just the wiki, would be the way to go. By doing that, then you could set it up, so all new/edited content has to be approved before it goes live. Just my 2 cents. ;)
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      CommentAuthorarwen54
    • CommentTimeNov 29th 2006
     
    hmmm, Sean has a good point there...I think perhaps the best thing to do is have someone - an admin or moderator - approve tutorials and articles. Unfortunately it has to be done, I think.
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      CommentAuthorbakercad
    • CommentTimeNov 29th 2006
     
    I'm sure some sort of simple approval system can be used. Once an article/tutorial is sumbitted, it goes on hold until approval. Once and admin/mod give it the ok, it's published. Piece of cake. I use a similar feature on OWDLinx.org. Once someone submits the URL to their link page, it's on hold until it's verified that they are using the OWDLinX script.
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      CommentAuthorJeremyD
    • CommentTimeNov 29th 2006
     
    If I get chosen to be a moderator, I'd love to do the approvals of the tutorials/articles.
    • CommentAuthorgwolfgang
    • CommentTimeNov 29th 2006
     
    I was also thinking, and shouldn't be hard to do. But some sort of "digg" like feature. Where the community could vote design's up and down. That kind of thing, would probablly work well later on with tutorials, and if the whole blog network rss feed system gets put in place, work with that as well.

    Just brainstorming. :)
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      CommentAuthorjrochman
    • CommentTimeDec 1st 2006
     
    I just wanted to add that I think it would also be a great idea to have a section for CMS specific themes.
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      CommentAuthorarwen54
    • CommentTimeDec 1st 2006
     
    I like your idea, jrochman
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      CommentAuthorbakercad
    • CommentTimeDec 1st 2006
     
    Posted By: jrochmanI just wanted to add that I think it would also be a great idea to have a section for CMS specific themes.

    I had a similar idea in another thread. Except my idea was to have a listing within the theme page for what CMS had been ported to. Though maybe it can be searched or listed in both ways.
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      CommentAuthorjrochman
    • CommentTimeDec 1st 2006
     
    I definitely think it should be listed by on the page with the individual template. Something like "Also available for: CMS1, CMS2, CMS3." But I think this site should host those ported templates, and the links would just link to the ported template on opendesign.com.
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      CommentAuthorSean
    • CommentTimeDec 3rd 2006
     
    I think having the deadline being December 28th 2006 @ 12 AM GMT, then a vote after that which will probably take a couple weeks is a long while.

    What does everyone think about changing the deadline to December 15, 2006, then start the voting so we can launch the new design for January 1, 2007?
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      CommentAuthoricyone
    • CommentTimeDec 3rd 2006
     
    ok by me but I'm only a non-designer voter.
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      CommentAuthorjanpd24
    • CommentTimeDec 4th 2006
     
    It would be a nice way to start the new year with.
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      CommentAuthorLobsterMan
    • CommentTimeDec 4th 2006
     
    Hi jan, nice to see you found you way over to the new site. you can start uploading your designs wink
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      CommentAuthorjanpd24
    • CommentTimeDec 4th 2006
     
    I just did!

    (By the way, I'm in the middle of moving, and only have a cranky GPRS connection and am having trouble accessing the Net for long periods.)
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      CommentAuthorLobsterMan
    • CommentTimeDec 4th 2006
     
    Good luck with your movig! When you get settled down, be sure to upload all of your designs wink
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      CommentAuthorLobsterMan
    • CommentTimeDec 4th 2006 edited by LobsterMan on the 04th December 2006 at 05:30:09 EST
     
    I had people asking me about how the layout needs to be set, so here's an image:
    sample
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      CommentAuthorbakercad
    • CommentTimeDec 4th 2006 edited by bakercad on the 04th December 2006 at 05:53:44 EST
     
    Posted By: seanrox
    What does everyone think about changing the deadline to December 15, 2006, then start the voting so we can launch the new design for January 1, 2007?

    Great idea....gives time for voting and porting it to a WP template. And we can have a "Grand Re-Opening" swingin
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      CommentAuthorLobsterMan
    • CommentTimeDec 4th 2006
     
    Porting it into a WP theme shouldn't take more then a day.
    As for voting, I'm not sure voting publicly on designs would be a good idea, we learnt the lesson from the admin voting. I'm all for bringing in 3 major internet 'celebs' to judge this.
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      CommentAuthorgnome
    • CommentTimeDec 4th 2006
     
    That would be better, because the public won't be checking the code for semantic-ness, whereas the three web celebs will be able to analyse the code in detail, as well as visual appearance. The designer should also have to agree to write more code, if necessary.
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      CommentAuthorbakercad
    • CommentTimeDec 4th 2006 edited by bakercad on the 04th December 2006 at 06:31:08 EST
     
    Posted By: gnomeThe designer should also have to agree to write more code, if necessary.

    ....or maybe the designer should agree to let someone else adjust it. I think the visual aspect it going to be VERY important when poeple come to this site. If there's a fantastic looking design with some hideous code, I think it should be given consideration and the code adjusted to suit, maybe by another designer if need be.
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    Agreed with Bob, if the design is amazing, who cares about the code? We can adjust the code to perfectly formed valid semantic XHTML very easily, so if the design is great, it's no big deal to fix up some code!